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September 20th, 2004
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From:mtbc100
Date:September 20th, 2004 05:29 am (UTC)
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I don't usually tip in UK restaurants; I'm not aware that it's expected. If people are badly paid than it seems odd to me to think that random charity is the way to fix it. After all, I also don't sprinkle a few quid here and there to other strangers who are in professions I see as too poorly paid, and if I did I'd probably only want to do so in a way I thought would be plausibly declared to the IR. I'd be much happier giving the money to some waiting-people's union that lobbies for better salaries in the industry!
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From:robert_jones
Date:September 20th, 2004 07:43 am (UTC)
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The norm has always been that one's waiter (which, by the way, is a genderless noun) provides one with a service, for which one renumerates them on the basis of their performance. They also provide the restaurant with a service, for which they are paid a wage (although I believe that this was once not universal). So one pays the restaurants for the food and the waiters for waiting. The tip is not "random charity"; it is a payment for services rendered. If the restaurant charges a service charge, one should not also tip, because one would be paying for the same thing twice, unless perhaps the service was so wonderful that it deserved a bonus on top of what one would normally tip.

It is commonly said that tipping by credit or debit card will not always result in a tip being paid to the waiter individually, and this may well be true, but I would tend to regard it as an internal matter. I mean to say that I pay for the service and I don't worry too much about how exactly that payment is distributed.
From:mtbc100
Date:September 20th, 2004 08:29 am (UTC)
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I should have mentioned that I do tip where the menu mentions that the service charge isn't included — am I wrong in thinking that there's a legal requirement to mention that in cases where it's not so?
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