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April 25th, 2007
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So there is a The Golden Compass website.

First of all, it is visually stunning. I'm not even too agast at the way the actors don't look exactly like they did in my head, so they must be getting something right.

If you read the bit on "Daemons of the goldern compass" it says that "Human and Daemon pairs are always of the opposite sex". Is this
a) abridging a complicated situation to a general mostly-truth to make it fit in a cute small box
b) deliberately editing out the idea from the books that when a daemon and human are the same sex they tend to end up homosexual, as this wouldn't fit in a kiddies film they have to sell to America
?

10/10 for viral marketting though. That's the cutest meme I've seen for ages. Pretty animals and finding out how your friends see you :-)

That daft section also claims that Lyra's daemon can turn into a dragon. That's not cannon, is it? I want to rant that they just made it up because dragons look good on camera, but then I'm scared someone will give me a page reference to where it does turn into a dragon

Oh, and grr, daft american name. See these things by northern lights you'll never see them clearer...

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From:naath
Date:April 25th, 2007 04:26 pm (UTC)
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Sex of daemons> I don't remember that at all. Obviously I was paying less than full attention to the books.
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From:cartesiandaemon
Date:April 25th, 2007 04:30 pm (UTC)
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Shiny!

I don't think we can tell. Simplifying deliberately, or from not having read the books correctly is plausible, or to be sanitary seem equally likely. I don't know how they'll like the "atheist diatribe" theme, or if they won't notice.

The meme's a cool idea. I was put off by the first few questions, they seemed too simplistic (rating a positive quality is bound to be skewed, but when I looked again it seemed better, so maybe it didn't matter)

I don't remember about a dragon specifically, but I thought young daemons could take any shape they found appropriate, so why not dragon? I assume *small* dragon, not vast mountain-sized acid-spitting god-crushing dragon.
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From:atreic
Date:April 25th, 2007 04:36 pm (UTC)
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I thought daemons took the shapes of real animals. Dragons aren't real. If a daemon can be a dragon, why can't it be anything imaginable?
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From:simont
Date:April 25th, 2007 04:35 pm (UTC)
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Oh, and grr, daft american name.

I don't know, I quite like that title. I'm more or less ambivalent about themed names in general, but one thing that does irk me is when a set of things have mostly themed names with one exception.

On a related note, before I read the trilogy I had managed to form a fairly strong expectation that the order of the titles would be The Amber Spyglass, Northern Lights, The Subtle Knife. I don't remember actually thinking about this; it just seemed obvious to me, and I was surprised later on to find it wasn't right. I think in retrospect it might be because a spyglass tends to be something you use to find things out, and finding something out tends to be what provokes people to go off on mad quests in the first place; and a knife is obviously likely to be something you use to put an end to whatever it was the story was about.

when a daemon and human are the same sex they tend to end up homosexual

I completely missed that! I remember that person and daemon are usually-but-not-always opposite sexes, but I don't remember anything about a correlation with sexuality. Do you happen to have a reference for that?

(What happens if the person's bi? Or, on second thoughts, I probably don't want to know...)
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From:libellum
Date:April 25th, 2007 05:09 pm (UTC)
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Bisexuals don't exist. Any fule no that.
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From:whatifoundthere
Date:April 25th, 2007 04:36 pm (UTC)
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I don't think the homosexuality thing was ever made clear in the books; they simply said that a small minority of people have daemons of the same sex (and if I remember correctly, the one example of such a person was something of a loner). When you learn at the end of the Amber Spyglass what makes a daemon settle, that lends credence to the homosexuality idea, which I always took to be Pullman's intention.

Still, I think I prefer the ambiguity to the assertion that DAEMON GENDER = SEXUAL ORIENTATION. In other words, I would hate for the meme to have a little "Are you gay?" tickybox -- to me, that feels even more simplistic and insulting than the opposite-sex assumption it makes now.

All that having been said, I'm glad to be corrected if there is a place in the books that makes it explicit, though I'd be a bit disappointed if that were the case.
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From:libellum
Date:April 25th, 2007 05:07 pm (UTC)
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So do bisexuals get two demons?
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From:sashajwolf
Date:April 25th, 2007 04:44 pm (UTC)
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At least some of the creators are clearly aware of the homosexuality aspect, because the quiz gave me a male daemon, but added the explanation that "humans and daemons are typically of the opposite sex".
From:timeplease
Date:April 25th, 2007 04:45 pm (UTC)
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If you read the bit on "Daemons of the goldern compass" it says that "Human and Daemon pairs are always of the opposite sex".


Actually it says both that, and (on a different page) that they are usually of the opposite sex.

Lack of proof-reading?
From:ex_robhu
Date:April 25th, 2007 06:09 pm (UTC)
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b.

No it isn't cannon.

I heard that they were going to take the references to the Church out and change them to something else to sanitise it for the US audience. I really hope they haven't done that, I can't imagine why Pullman would allow them to do that.

I haven't looked at the site because I'm afraid to look, in case they have.
From:androidkiller
Date:April 25th, 2007 11:42 pm (UTC)
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I've heard that they have and just changed it so it's just a vague authority. I heard that Pullman was happy with this because it isn't just supposed to be against the Church, but also with peope controlling other people in general. Having seen the trailer on the site, I don't like some of the casting, but the witches look brilliant.
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From:bluap
Date:April 25th, 2007 07:19 pm (UTC)
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Personally, I'm a lot more excited by the upcoming Dark is Rising film.
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From:lnr
Date:April 25th, 2007 07:24 pm (UTC)
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Oooh!

But are they doing all of them?
From:androidkiller
Date:April 25th, 2007 11:38 pm (UTC)
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I've recently re-read the books, and Pantalaimon definitely does turn into a dragon at one point. I think it's quite early on in the first book. I believe it's when she's fighting another kid and her daemon turns into a dragon. I believe the line mentions something about Pantalaimon not being very impressed with the other daemon's imagination.
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From:atreic
Date:April 26th, 2007 09:08 am (UTC)
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Damn. All my best rants, pulled out from under me by pesky facts! ;-)
From:(Anonymous)
Date:September 13th, 2007 04:08 am (UTC)
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Oh my...do you have the full lyrics to By Northern Lights.
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From:atreic
Date:September 13th, 2007 09:51 am (UTC)
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Err, googling "northern lights oysterband lyrics" found
http://bob.bob.bofh.org/~giolla/oysterband/BNL.html
which seems to have them. Hope that helps!
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