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December 7th, 2005
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From:ashfae
Date:December 7th, 2005 03:46 pm (UTC)
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Nah. It was a plot necessity--she could hardly explain thestrals at the end of the book--which she explains by saying you have to have taken time to understand the death that happened, the weight of it.
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From:cartesiandaemon
Date:December 7th, 2005 04:08 pm (UTC)
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I agree it's better to introduce the thestrals at the next book. But I don't think you can say it isn't an inconsistency because it was necessary for the plot.

The explanation is a reasonable one, though if it felt more natural it might cause less problems to people reading. For instance, if this had been planned at the time, wouldn't it have been easier to have Harry not go back on the coaches?
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From:ashfae
Date:December 8th, 2005 02:08 pm (UTC)
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It is an inconsistancy, I never meant to imply otherwise; I meant that I don't think it was a "mistake," as in I don't think JKR overlooked it.
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From:cartesiandaemon
Date:December 8th, 2005 02:12 pm (UTC)
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Well, not a mistake with the books viewed as individuals, but a mistake with the books viewed as a whole?
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From:ashfae
Date:December 8th, 2005 02:17 pm (UTC)
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Perhaps a deliberate mistake rather than an accidental one, is a better way of putting it.
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From:cartesiandaemon
Date:December 8th, 2005 02:19 pm (UTC)
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Well, the patch up is the best possible. Not planning ahead for it, might be a mistake. Anyway, we're arguing about words now so I'll try to stop...
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From:ashfae
Date:December 8th, 2005 02:21 pm (UTC)
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Yes, likewise. =)
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From:atreic
Date:December 8th, 2005 03:50 pm (UTC)
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Oh, whereas I think it was actually a mistake, or at least, when JKR was writing the 4th book I would guess she hadn't invented thestrals yet, and so didn't realise that she was setting herself up for an inconsistancy. So she knew when she was writing the 5th book that it didn't quite fit, but by that point it was the best she could do?
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From:atreic
Date:December 7th, 2005 05:22 pm (UTC)
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So did the death of his mother never sink in?

I'm coming to the conclusion it really was a mistake that she's tried to patch after the event.

Sigh, I really hate people who pick books to pieces and try and make scientific holes in the fabric of story. But I get annoyed at badly woven story too :-)
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From:blasfmaticsmite
Date:December 7th, 2005 10:06 pm (UTC)
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the reason he never saw them before is because he technically didnt see his mom die. thats the story. the flash was too much for him to see past and comprehend.
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From:ashfae
Date:December 8th, 2005 01:22 pm (UTC)
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He didn't really see it, so it doesn't count.

I don't think it was a mistake so much as "Argh, this doesn't really work, but I can't do it another way without messing up the plot so I'd better come up with reasons to explain it." And there are holes right and left in the HP world; I love the books, but they're not greatly written. C'est la vie.
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