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October 26th, 2004
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If I wanted news, I'd read the news. I mean, I *do* read the news

I don't mind people commenting on John Peels death if they have something personal to say, along the lines of "oh, John Peel died and this is important to me because it makes me feel old / he inspired my career / I listened to him every day" But why do I need to see "John Peel is dead" with no real content 500 times on my friends' page?

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Date:October 26th, 2004 10:05 am (UTC)
I suppose, for those of us who chose to post about it, we perhaps didn't feel the need to explain why he mattered to us because we thought it'd be obvious - i.e. we listened to him, we liked him as a media presence. I thought of him as an institution like the BBC itself, and institutions are supposed to go on forever...
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Date:October 26th, 2004 10:30 am (UTC)
I concur. Some things don't seem to need elaboration.
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Date:October 26th, 2004 10:44 am (UTC)
You can't complain about what other people write in their journals just because you've friended them. If you don't like what people write there you can unfriend them.
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Date:October 26th, 2004 10:58 am (UTC)
I concur.

Also: Any post that is short and about somebody dying has an implicit "And I can't think of a way to express how I feel that somebody else hasn't already said".
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Date:October 26th, 2004 10:57 am (UTC)
Then again, it's a good idea to comment on what the events one's reporting in lj anyway. Facts can be found anywhere, but only here can one add one's own opinion to them.
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Date:October 26th, 2004 11:37 am (UTC)
I'd agree with what you seem to be saying - that it's pointless and more than a little insincere to post a famous figure's death on your LJ without any further qualification. I wouldn't do it myself, anyway, but that's just me. I would mention a death if I had something to say about it, and have done so.

It doesn't mean I don't care that X has died, and admittedly LJ is usually the first place I find out such things, but I still think there's something of the mass hysteria we saw with Princess Diana in all this. Not to side with Boris Johnson, but isn't public grief peculiar?
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Date:October 26th, 2004 03:36 pm (UTC)
Yes. Not to mention the mass hysteria over Ken Bigley's death recently or, gah, Diana.

Yes, people are dead. Yes, you've heard of them. Yes, it's quite sad and tragic and should never have happened. No, you didn't know them, so in what way does it affect your life?
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Date:October 26th, 2004 11:38 am (UTC)
I agree; I'm downright amazed at the innate defensiveness and hostility in most of these responses.

"If there is nothing you can say, say nothing" is, in general, a good creed to follow.
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Date:October 27th, 2004 02:48 am (UTC)
I'm (slightly) sorry if I appeared hostile; it was more to do with the fact Sally (who is one of my favourite people, by the way) was telling people off for their journal content that annoyed me, regardless of what she was telling them off for.

There's never absolutely nothing you can say; a short note of condolence, even in a journal, is not nothing
Date:October 26th, 2004 11:40 am (UTC)


I am so fucking sick of it too!

Whatsisname the much-ridiculed editor bloke was right, the whole world is full of sentimental Liverpudlians..
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Date:October 26th, 2004 01:33 pm (UTC)
Alexander Boris de Pfeffel Johnson is his full name (are you suprised he is a Tory? :)).
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Date:October 26th, 2004 02:57 pm (UTC)
I tend to find that people posting about such matters tends to make me feel worse. It's like compaining about the cold when everybody can feel it; if someone feels it worse than you then you forget your chill to help them, if someone is just moaning you notice it the worse.

Let's keep our chill to ourselves. Or at least make jokes about it to warm everybody up.
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Date:October 26th, 2004 03:07 pm (UTC)
I suspect that people posted the information before it became well known. I certainly heard about it before it appeared on the BBC News website...
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Date:October 27th, 2004 03:10 am (UTC)
I didn't see it on lj until after the BBC had it (having bounced the BBC news article URL across IRC networks).
Date:October 26th, 2004 03:56 pm (UTC)
I'm mildly amused by the fact the fact that I found out John Peel had died from your LJ (as you are the only one on my friends' list to have commented on it!).
Date:October 26th, 2004 03:58 pm (UTC)

John Peel

Do ye ken John Peel
with his coat so gay?
do ye ken John Peel
At the break of day?
Do ye ken John Peel
When he's far, far away
With his hounds and his horn
In the morning

Twas the sound of his horn
Brought me from my bed
And the cry of his hounds
Aas me oftimes led
For Peel's view holloa
Would wake the dead
Or a fox from his lair
In the morning

Do ye ken that hound
Whose voice is death?
Do ye ken her sons
Of peerless faith
Do ye ken that a fox
With his last breath
Cursed them all as he died
In the morning?

Yes, I ken John Peel
And auld Ruby, too
Ranter and Royal
And Bellman so true
From the drag to the chase,
From the chase to the view
From the view to the death
In the morning

And I've followed John Peel
Both often and far
O'er the rasper fence
And the gate and the bar
From Low Denton Holme
To the Scratchmere Scar
When we vied for the brush
In the morning

(sorry, just being subversive)
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Date:October 28th, 2004 08:20 am (UTC)

Re: John Peel

Wrong John Peel, dear, he's been dead for centuries already.
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