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July 13th, 2007
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Friday afternoon tickyboxes for all.

Tony Blair talks about how hard it is acclimatising to no longer running red lights

The Prime Minister

Should generally drive through red lights
22(17.6%)
Shouldn't generally drive through red lights
102(81.6%)

Just to check, other car drivers

Should generally drive through red lights
1(0.8%)
Shouldn't generally drive through red lights
126(99.2%)

Ambulence drivers going to an critically ill person

Should drive through red lights
116(92.8%)
Shouldn't drive through red lights
3(2.4%)

Cyclists...

Should generally go through red lights
1(0.8%)
Shouldn't generally go through red lights
15(11.9%)
Do generally go through red lights
0(0.0%)
Don't generally go through red lights
1(0.8%)
Should be prime minister
5(4.0%)

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From:lnr
Date:July 13th, 2007 02:54 pm (UTC)
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NB as someone points out on usenet when he is driven through red lights it's usually with a police escort stopping the other traffic...
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From:lnr
Date:July 13th, 2007 02:56 pm (UTC)
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Oh and I ticked both do and don't on the last question because some do usually go through red lights and some don't. I don't think I can work out when set of people is more prevalent.
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From:beckyc
Date:July 13th, 2007 02:56 pm (UTC)
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AIUI it's OK to go through a red light in whatever vehicle you are in, if the lights are actually broken (and not just slow), and you are suitably cautious, give way etc. Sometimes cyclists don't manage to trigger the sensor for red lights, so when it's 3am and there is no traffic at all to trigger the sensor for you, proceding with caution and giving way is probably OK. Or pushing your bike across.
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From:king_of_wrong
Date:July 13th, 2007 07:52 pm (UTC)
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I've never seen lights stuck on red... when they break, they just go out.
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From:lnr
Date:July 14th, 2007 08:54 am (UTC)
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Some lights work (expecially in the evenings) with a detection loop in the road. They tend to leave all the lights on red except when a vehicle is detected. Occasionally the detection loop is broken or badly calibrated so that it does not detect cycles (which are obviously harder to detect) so the light won't turn green for you.
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From:half_of_monty
Date:July 15th, 2007 03:30 pm (UTC)
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Yup. You can tell cause you wait crossly in the 2am drizzle for some time, then a car comes up behind you and the lights instantly change. Bad timing once or twice perhaps, but it happens persistently at the same junction.
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From:fivemack
Date:July 15th, 2007 03:53 pm (UTC)
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The one at the end of Arbury Road going onto Milton Road does this quite annoyingly, though that may just be that that was where I was last cycling in the rain and stopped eternally at a red light.
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From:lnr
Date:July 15th, 2007 04:00 pm (UTC)
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I've never had a problem there, but then I'm usually going through at busier times.

If you're aware of one with a problem it *is* worth reporting them, because they do get fixed.
From:kaet
Date:July 13th, 2007 03:01 pm (UTC)
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I think that being stopped is a probably vulnerable time for a prime-minister in security terms, and I think there's a real case of both opportunistic and planned nutters surrounding them, so as long as they have a police escort, I think that's fine.

I think it's difficult with the cyclists going through red lights because as far as I can tell there are people who always do and people who never do. But my experience is that there's more of the always ones, at least in Cambridge.
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From:borusa
Date:July 13th, 2007 03:15 pm (UTC)
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I don't think the Prime Minister has driven a car for like...ever. His driver used to go through red lights, with a police escort and all the other traffic stopped, as is standard practive when a high vulnerability target is being moved about. WTP?
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From:borusa
Date:July 13th, 2007 03:15 pm (UTC)
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Practice, even.
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From:simont
Date:July 13th, 2007 03:16 pm (UTC)
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(To justify ticking both boxes on one question) Ambulance drivers should be allowed to go through red lights, but probably should not blindly exercise this option in all situations: they should judge what the most sensible thing to do is in each actual case.
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From:lnr
Date:July 13th, 2007 04:59 pm (UTC)
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I take the same position but mentally tacked "if it is safe to do so and will save them time" on the end of the "should" answer in that case.
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From:enismirdal
Date:July 13th, 2007 06:20 pm (UTC)
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Agreed!
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From:davefish
Date:July 13th, 2007 10:25 pm (UTC)
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They are allowed to treat them as give ways, but only when using lights and siren.
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From:the_marquis
Date:July 13th, 2007 03:30 pm (UTC)
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I said cyclists do, because I've seen them, not meaning me; when I cycle I stop at red lights - except as in beckyc's example.
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From:ghoti
Date:July 13th, 2007 03:40 pm (UTC)
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Ambulance drivers should have a gadget that changes the colour of the lights.
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From:timeplease
Date:July 13th, 2007 03:56 pm (UTC)
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Purple!
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From:pseudomonas
Date:July 14th, 2007 09:49 am (UTC)
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I think they do - they switch the lights to red in all directions and then go through (lights & sirens, as mentioned elsewhere)
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From:randomchris
Date:July 13th, 2007 04:39 pm (UTC)
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The prime minister drives through red lights for safety reasons, bizarre as that may sound. If he stopped at red lights, eventually some idiot would run at the car just for kicks, or somebody with a genuine grievance.
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From:feanelwa
Date:July 13th, 2007 06:02 pm (UTC)
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Ambulance drivers are not meant to run red lights, but it is generally true that if they do so on an emergency call the police will not prosecute them.
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From:davefish
Date:July 13th, 2007 06:42 pm (UTC)
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They are allowed to if they have got their lights&sirens going. Similarly they are exempted from speed limits, but dangerous driving and reckless driving offences still apply. Oh, but that's only if they have "Been trained to the appropriate standard"

http://www.parliament.the-stationery-office.co.uk/pa/cm200304/cmhansrd/vo040722/text/40722w71.htm

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From:pm215
Date:July 13th, 2007 08:01 pm (UTC)
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Note that that just says that they will stop the process-leading-to-prosecution if they can see lights. If no lights can be seen then the process moves forward, but I suspect from the 'standard exemption form' that you can still cause them to drop it later. I don't believe there's any legal basis for the lights&sirens exemption.
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From:davefish
Date:July 13th, 2007 10:24 pm (UTC)
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The legal basis is the road traffic regulations act 1984, then you do get legal exemptions for treating red lights as a give way, driving on the hard shoulder, speeding, going to the right of a keep left sign.

I can't manage to find the full text of it online, so I can't help. Best I can manage is this:

http://www.ukemergency.co.uk/information/bluelightuse.htm

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From:ewx
Date:July 14th, 2007 09:36 am (UTC)

SLD FTW

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From:ashfae
Date:July 14th, 2007 02:50 pm (UTC)
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Okay, I admit the vulnerability point hadn't occurred to me, and probably should have. That's a good reason for not having to stop at reds. (assuming, of course, that all precautions have been taken)

That said it royally pisses me off (and I have seen this happen) when policemen turn on their lights and sirens solely so that they can "legally" run a red just because they don't want to bother to stop.
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