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December 1st, 2005
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It is the business of [Satan’s lowerarchy] to produce in every age a general misdirection of what may be called sexual ‘taste.’ This they do by working through the small circle of popular artists, dressmakers, actresses and advertisers who determine the fashionable type. The aim is to guide each sex away from those members of the other with whom spiritually helpful, happy and fertile marriages are most likely. Thus we have now for many centuries triumphed over nature to the extent of making certain secondary characteristics of the male (such as the beard) disagreeable to nearly all the females — and there is more in that than you might suppose.

-- C.S. Lewis, the Screwtape Letters

So, err, fight the devil! Fancy men with beards!

Ergh, beards.

(atreic thanks andrewrilstone for bringing this important theological insight to her attention)

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From:angoel
Date:December 1st, 2005 01:30 pm (UTC)
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Surely "fight the devil by destroying beards where you find them". I believe there's one particularly infernal one which has posessed a certain ex-housemate of yours... ;)
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From:edith_the_hutt
Date:December 1st, 2005 01:30 pm (UTC)
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But only evil people have beards!
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From:miss_next
Date:December 1st, 2005 01:44 pm (UTC)
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Are you calling Mole evil?

...

Well, he is, actually. But in a very cute sort of way. :-)
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From:randomchris
Date:December 1st, 2005 01:38 pm (UTC)
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I kind of wish I could grow a beard... sadly, after three weeks of not shaving, I still only get left with stubble, which itches like hell.
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From:ashfae
Date:December 1st, 2005 01:56 pm (UTC)
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Sexy stubble, though!
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From:vyvyan
Date:December 1st, 2005 01:41 pm (UTC)
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This reminds me of a bit in The Great Divorce, which my classics teacher lent me at school in a bid to convert me to Christianity. In this, ISTR Lewis complained about young couples who were so similar in appearance (i.e. both having long hair and wearing trousers) that they were virtually indistinguishable. (He must have had very poor eyesight!) I think they were consigned to the "other side" in the great divorce...
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From:passage
Date:December 1st, 2005 11:02 pm (UTC)

I suspect you're mistaken

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I haven't read the great divorce for a year or so, but I don't recall anything like that in it. In each case you had a single person from Hell talking to a single person from Heaven, there were no couples (execpt where the couple were divided in that way, in that case the man returned to Hell and the woman remained in Heaven).

In the Screwtape letters Lewis talks about the fashion of women trying to look like boys, destructive because it's unhealthy and because of age pretty quickly very hard. I don't remember anything about trousers, or guys with long hair.
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From:miss_next
Date:December 1st, 2005 01:43 pm (UTC)
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Actually, I do quite often fancy men with beards (after all, look at my last boyfriend!)... but they have to be the right sort of beards. I strongly dislike goatees for aesthetic reasons, and I don't like them kept so short as to be scratchy.

The beard also has to suit the chin. There are some chins so elegantly shaped that it would be a scandal to cover them up. There are others that frankly look silly without the beard (my ex-husband was a prime example of this; unfortunately he kept his beard for winter plumage only and shaved it off in the summer, and for all I know he still does).

Come to think of it, the last two men I fell for prior to Mole also had beards. So I am probably more pro-beard than anti-beard, taken on balance. :-)
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From:libellum
Date:December 1st, 2005 01:50 pm (UTC)
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Fancy men with beards!

I already do! Go me! I win at life!
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From:gnimmel
Date:December 1st, 2005 01:59 pm (UTC)
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If it's good to like the beard (presumably because that's the natural, untampered-with state of the male chin, at least some of the time) then surely it should also be good to like long-haired men? Because I'm not convinced that C.S. Lewis did....
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From:miss_next
Date:December 1st, 2005 02:08 pm (UTC)
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Heee. This reminds me of a story told to me by Fr Tom, my parish priest about another, much older, very strait-laced priest.

Apparently this other priest once preached a thundering sermon against men wearing their hair long. It was during the 1970s, so of course there was a fair sprinkling of long-haired young men in the church. Fr Tom listened with growing amusement, because he was looking at the magnificent east window behind the thundering priest.

The window depicted Christ and the apostles... and every single one of them had his hair down to his shoulders. :-D
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From:inner_muppet
Date:December 1st, 2005 02:19 pm (UTC)
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Tee hee.

I do see his point that it is sad that so many women are completely put off by them (beard attraction is something I had to learn myself, although that may have more to do with the sort of people I knew before going to university who had beards). It would be nice if we could all accept ourselves and our partners in our natural states, even if we do then make some alterations.

I wonder what he would have made of the brazilian.
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From:serenasnape
Date:December 1st, 2005 03:02 pm (UTC)
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Oh no, all the men in my family have beards, I don't want a man with a beard - it'd be like kissing my dad or something! Also, Alastair is incapable of growing a proper beard, so it looks silly anyway!
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From:megamole
Date:December 1st, 2005 03:29 pm (UTC)
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:-P
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From:l_ren
Date:December 1st, 2005 03:58 pm (UTC)
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Beards- JUST SAY NO!
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From:pseudomonas
Date:December 1st, 2005 04:02 pm (UTC)
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Yay, beards. I have been advised not to grow another one this winter, though.
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From:mjg59
Date:December 1st, 2005 04:45 pm (UTC)
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That is entirely not where I posted that comment, you horrid, horrid thing.
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From:gerald_duck
Date:December 1st, 2005 05:15 pm (UTC)
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So, statistically speaking, I'm currently 11% non-satanic. Things could be worse. (-8
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From:zebbiejohnson
Date:December 1st, 2005 05:38 pm (UTC)
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um..doesn't the Devil have a goatee himself?
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From:mewo2
Date:December 1st, 2005 09:23 pm (UTC)
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But goatees are even more unnatural than being clean-shaven. As I see it, you have a choice between clean-shaven, which requires maintenance, or bearded, which gets food stuck in it. Goatees look like they require really *careful* maintenance, yet still end up with crumbs. And don't even get me started on moustaches.
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