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April 26th, 2005
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Explanatory note : Girton (college and village) along with Homerton are in South Cambridgeshire, not Cambridge, in the forthcoming elections

Me (to CSLD) "Hi, I'm flyering Girton College, do you have any Girton members (or other members) that might be able to help?"

CSLD: "Not as far as I know - no! All CSLD members are working flat-out in the
city."

I wonder if there's a link between them being absolutely unable to spare anyone to flyer Girton, and the fact they have no Girton members? ;-)

(Less cynically, I wonder if they're right, and that they should concentrate their energy where it will do the most good. But if they got the Girton / Homerton people on board then they'd have more people to campaign in the city.)

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From:mobbsy
Date:April 26th, 2005 08:34 am (UTC)
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The Lib Dem campaign office on Victoria Road has a quote on the wall from a student saying that he'd be supporting the Lib Dems because they were the only people who bothered giving him a flyer.

Maybe somebody should read it.
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From:cartesiandaemon
Date:April 26th, 2005 09:11 am (UTC)
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LOL. I like it.
From:nlj21
Date:April 26th, 2005 08:59 am (UTC)
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How are you finding membership of the LibDems? I keep on thinking at some stage I should stop pontificating about politics and join a party...

(Meanwhile I'm thinking retrospectively CDC should have seen if any political parties wanted to sponsor us this term: flyers to every student one week before an election. What more could they want! Plus you could have mentions at GD: the next dance will be the Libby-Dem Line Dance, etc..!!)

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From:atreic
Date:April 26th, 2005 09:29 am (UTC)
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Or the Social-Democrats Foxtrot...

Are you coming to the rally tonight? 7pm to 9pm, CHARLES KENNEDY rally, The Guildhall
Charles Kennedy, Shirley Williams, Menzies Campbell and David Howarth will be speaking at this public rally. Should be exciting, and a good place to find out a bit more about the party...
From:nlj21
Date:April 26th, 2005 09:59 am (UTC)
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I didn't know about the rally but am quite keen to come! Meeting a friend in town to pray till 7:30pm, but will pop along after that. I presume it is up in the room we had the ball?
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From:atreic
Date:April 26th, 2005 10:14 am (UTC)
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Yes. The thing I had from the Lib Dems said "be in seats by 7.45" (I think we all get talked at by the Great Man ;-) then) It's apparently quite a big event. I'll be there if I'm not too exam stressed (first one tomorrow :/)
From:nlj21
Date:April 26th, 2005 10:25 am (UTC)
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Could put on the "Tory-adore dance" as a Paso...

Hope the exams go well!! (When do they finish?)
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From:cartesiandaemon
Date:April 26th, 2005 09:10 am (UTC)
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But they're north of cambridge... :)
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From:edith_the_hutt
Date:April 26th, 2005 09:11 am (UTC)
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Cambridge is not in the centre of Cambridgeshire.
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From:cartesiandaemon
Date:April 26th, 2005 09:21 am (UTC)
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I know, I know, it makes perfect sense, it just seems a geographical incarnation of the confusingness of politics :)

It's a bit like the berlin wall; west berlin is in east germany, which was unfortunate.
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From:robert_jones
Date:April 26th, 2005 10:20 am (UTC)
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It would have a been difficult to arrange for the two halves of Berlin to be in different halves of Germany! (Although it would have made the airlift easier.)
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From:cartesiandaemon
Date:April 26th, 2005 10:22 am (UTC)
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No, exactly: it was unfortunate that the geography was as it was. (You could make the w/e wall curve round and go all the way to berlin and back again, but that'd be silly :))
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From:ilanin
Date:April 26th, 2005 11:15 am (UTC)
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Hmph. Well, not really. The 1945 peace conferences moved the borders of Germany several hundred miles east (allowing Poland to take a bite out of Germany such that Russia could take a bite out of Poland). Berlin was more or less in the middle of Bismarck's Germany; no problem with drawing a line through Berlin and splitting it all in two on that map...
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From:ilanin
Date:April 26th, 2005 04:09 pm (UTC)
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ITIM "West", but senji can tell you that I don't know which way round the cardinal points on a compass are....

Slightly disappointed noone corrected me though.
From:yrieithydd
Date:April 26th, 2005 04:15 pm (UTC)
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I thought there was something odd, but know I get my east and west confused on maps so believed you!

I have this thing whereby because west is better than east it must be right because that's better than left. That probably just tells you that I am a very strange person!
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From:ewx
Date:April 26th, 2005 10:24 pm (UTC)
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See also Asterix And The Goths.
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From:pavanne
Date:April 26th, 2005 01:39 pm (UTC)
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I suspect (from many years distributing stuff) that you can get flyers out a lot more quickly in town because the houses are closer together. Hence time spent flyering in town should yield more votes than the same time spent flyering in the village.

This may be vaguely significant.
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From:mobbsy
Date:April 26th, 2005 04:01 pm (UTC)
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More to the point, Cambridge is one of the top Lib Dem target seats for this election, South Cambs. is a safe tory seat where it isn't worth expending much effort (especially when the effort would be much more effective if shifted a couple of miles south).
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From:lockymclean
Date:April 27th, 2005 01:35 am (UTC)
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I'm not at all surprised TBH. CUSU certainly forgot entirely that Girton isn't in central Cambridge, and so did our JCR for a few hours. They sent out an e-mail "Any questions for your MP? Anne Campbell will be answering them..." etc. and were pressed into defending themselves when I wired back an irate reply pointing out where exactly the geo-political landscape lay.

AFAIK Homerton is in Anne Campbell's seat. I may be wrong though.
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From:atreic
Date:April 27th, 2005 07:04 am (UTC)
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You're wrong :-)

Why do you not believe my clear and accurate explanatory note? I don't just make these things up you know...

For those who really need everything with a reference ;-)
From:nlj21
Date:April 27th, 2005 08:10 am (UTC)
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Although Homerton has recently moved from Queen Edith's to Trumpington....

(But as you correctly state, both are in South Cambridgeshire)
From:yrieithydd
Date:April 27th, 2005 09:14 am (UTC)
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It looks to me from that map as though Homerton has moved from Trumpington to Queen Edith's.

It's really weird looking at the map though because features such as the railway line and river aren't there as features only co-incidentally as boundaries as they are useful things to be boundaries and the roads marked include the UL's road, roads into Selwyn, King's College School, King's accommodation in West Road and Harvey Court but not the roads on the Sidgwick site; I suppose because no-one lives there -- but that would presumably apply to the UL too.
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From:lockymclean
Date:April 27th, 2005 10:43 am (UTC)
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Hehe my mistake! I was basing my assumption on Andrew Lansley's response to a question I put to him at the 2001 election in which he said, "I am the only Conservative member of Parliament who represents either an Oxford or a Cambridge college - I represent a Cambridge college."

For all you Labour voters out there, a reminder of what they promised in that election regarding top-up fees is in his response too...
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From:atreic
Date:April 27th, 2005 10:48 am (UTC)
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Well, Homerton only became a Cambridge college in 2001, so there's a good chance he was telling the truth (or only a few months behind the times)!

Do keep up, 007 ;-)
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From:ilanin
Date:April 27th, 2005 11:27 am (UTC)

Completely irrelelvant question....

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When, and from whom, did you acquire that phrase? I'm sure you never used it five years ago....
From:yrieithydd
Date:April 27th, 2005 01:25 pm (UTC)
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I think he was telling the truth, because AIUI it was at the start of the 2001/02 academic year that Homerton became a 'proper' college and the 2001 election was in early June (because it was just before term ended in Aber), so Homerton had not at that point become a full college. This tallies with MethSoc's behaviour wrt the Colleges' walk which included Homerton for the first time in my MPhil year (so May week 2002) on the grounds that it was now a proper college whereas it hadn't been previously. However, I'm dubious as to whether an MP would have been so pedantic so as not to regard Homerton as 'a Cambridge college' in the broadest sense of the term.
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From:ghoti
Date:April 28th, 2005 09:33 pm (UTC)
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Surely it doesn;t matter anyway, because aren't Homerton and Girton both in South Cambs? So he' still be the only Conservative MP, yadda yadda.
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From:ghoti
Date:April 28th, 2005 09:36 pm (UTC)
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I wonder if there's a link between them being absolutely unable to
spare anyone to flyer Girton, and the fact they have no Girton
members? ;-)


Not as I understand it, no. If there weren;t quite so much to do in the city at the moment, they 'd be prepared to work Girton, but it's all hands to the deck here.
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